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Pass the Deadline Law?
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PostSubject: The Proposed Change   Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:01 am

Alright. So, we know this has been an issue for some time. Sean has mentioned it, Styg has discussed it, and I think Remi has brought it up from time to time.

Here is the proposed change. Vote on whether you want it passed. Keep in mind that due to the nature of this rule, it will ONLY apply to PPV weeks. Battle Grounds will remain unaffected.

"Starting at Rising Monarchy, and continuing for every PPV onward, you are not allowed to post more than one RP on the day of deadline. You may post as late as 11:59 PM EST on Saturday, and still be entitled to post an RP on Sunday. However, for weeks in which multiple RP's are scored, you may not post BOTH scored RP's on Sundays.

You MAY post both RP's one after the other, so long as they are done before the day of deadline (or, if you're fucking weird, posting one on Saturday at 11:59, and Sunday at 12:00)

You MAY post multiple RP's on Sunday for regular weeks. Due to regular weeks being a "one RP counted" show, posting multiple RP's has no bearing on the result or the votes, and therefore are allowed.

If the rule is violated, the second RP posted on the deadline day will not be judged."


The bold is the rule. Your call, IWF. Comment if there is any part of this rule you don't particularly like and would rather see altered/deleted, or if there's anything that should be added. This is about as cut-and-dry as we're going to get, I think. Thanks to Remi, Ashe, and Styg for their contributions. Ball is now in your court.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:05 am

Perfect wording. Simple and easy to understand.

I obviously agree with it, lol
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:43 am

I agree with the rule.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:07 am

I think its kinda crazy that it has come to this. I mean it isn't even all that big of a deal. Just because someone decided to take it out of content. I've only done this once in my entire efedding career. Although it isn't like I'll do it again but still.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:28 am

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I think its kinda crazy that it has come to this. I mean it isn't even all that big of a deal. Just because someone decided to take it out of content. I've only done this once in my entire efedding career. Although it isn't like I'll do it again but still.

All feds that most of us been to have that rule. It keeps people from waiting till the last minute (which is called sandbagging by most.) Two rps can still be posted if you have the time, it makes more sense to post the two during the week instead of on the same day..but that's just my opinion.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:07 pm

Eric Steel wrote:
I think its kinda crazy that it has come to this. I mean it isn't even all that big of a deal. Just because someone decided to take it out of content. I've only done this once in my entire efedding career. Although it isn't like I'll do it again but still.

ES, it's not just about this PPV. This is a rule that has been discussed long before this week.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:05 pm

I've already made it well known where I stand on this rule.

I am against it. If you want to know why, feel free to pm or talk to me in the chat and I will gladly give you my little rant yet again Razz

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:13 pm

While I'll agree that normal life takes precedence over e-fedding I think posting two RPs on deadline ruins some of the back and forth of shoots. If your opponent waits and waits to drop two RPs deadline day it gives the opponent no ammo to work with. Not saying anyone would do this, it's more of a preventative measure. I personally enjoy an exchange of words and the challenge involved in replying to someone that's just ripped your character to sherds verbally. It fires me up and gets me going. It provides fuel for the 2nd shoot. If they choose to do one and one only then it's on them...by all means wait until deadline.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:28 pm

I understand both point of views here, and some people are really busy in RL. For me the only exception to this rule is if your opponent has already posted 2 before you post your first. Then it doesn't make a flying fuck of a difference if you post 2 on DL day.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:26 am

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While I'll agree that normal life takes precedence over e-fedding I think posting two RPs on deadline ruins some of the back and forth of shoots. If your opponent waits and waits to drop two RPs deadline day it gives the opponent no ammo to work with. Not saying anyone would do this, it's more of a preventative measure. I personally enjoy an exchange of words and the challenge involved in replying to someone that's just ripped your character to sherds verbally. It fires me up and gets me going. It provides fuel for the 2nd shoot. If they choose to do one and one only then it's on them...by all means wait until deadline.

At the same time, a rule here is that you can't use your opponent's RP in your RP unless (Chuck told me this part a few PPV's back, correct me if I'm wrong please) your opponent talks directly to your character so unless your opponent is talking to your person directly, you can't use the RP(s) as it is. And you never know when something is going on in a person's life that makes it difficult to post whether it be family/pet issues or health issues. I know due to my medications for my back and skin, I have a hard time focusing and getting ideas until deadline day because then I know I have to get it done or no show and lose automatically, something I don't like doing. With that being said, I'm not for this change. I know I gave Stygian an idea for it, but that was just to give examples of what the rule could look like. But as I said, knowing how my life is and how it coul be for others, I'm against it completely.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:29 am

Angelica Monroe wrote:
Axle Vengeance wrote:
While I'll agree that normal life takes precedence over e-fedding I think posting two RPs on deadline ruins some of the back and forth of shoots. If your opponent waits and waits to drop two RPs deadline day it gives the opponent no ammo to work with. Not saying anyone would do this, it's more of a preventative measure. I personally enjoy an exchange of words and the challenge involved in replying to someone that's just ripped your character to sherds verbally. It fires me up and gets me going. It provides fuel for the 2nd shoot. If they choose to do one and one only then it's on them...by all means wait until deadline.

At the same time, a rule here is that you can't use your opponent's RP in your RP unless (Chuck told me this part a few PPV's back, correct me if I'm wrong please) your opponent talks directly to your character so unless your opponent is talking to your person directly, you can't use the RP(s) as it is. And you never know when something is going on in a person's life that makes it difficult to post whether it be family/pet issues or health issues. I know due to my medications for my back and skin, I have a hard time focusing and getting ideas until deadline day because then I know I have to get it done or no show and lose automatically, something I don't like doing. With that being said, I'm not for this change. I know I gave Stygian an idea for it, but that was just to give examples of what the rule could look like. But as I said, knowing how my life is and how it coul be for others, I'm against it completely.

For all it's worth, I think that's a stupid fucking rule too. If something is clearly on-camera, it should be fair game whether it's specifically about that person or not and kinda defeats the whole hands-off approach to rp writing.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:35 am

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Angelica Monroe wrote:
Axle Vengeance wrote:
While I'll agree that normal life takes precedence over e-fedding I think posting two RPs on deadline ruins some of the back and forth of shoots. If your opponent waits and waits to drop two RPs deadline day it gives the opponent no ammo to work with. Not saying anyone would do this, it's more of a preventative measure. I personally enjoy an exchange of words and the challenge involved in replying to someone that's just ripped your character to sherds verbally. It fires me up and gets me going. It provides fuel for the 2nd shoot. If they choose to do one and one only then it's on them...by all means wait until deadline.

At the same time, a rule here is that you can't use your opponent's RP in your RP unless (Chuck told me this part a few PPV's back, correct me if I'm wrong please) your opponent talks directly to your character so unless your opponent is talking to your person directly, you can't use the RP(s) as it is. And you never know when something is going on in a person's life that makes it difficult to post whether it be family/pet issues or health issues. I know due to my medications for my back and skin, I have a hard time focusing and getting ideas until deadline day because then I know I have to get it done or no show and lose automatically, something I don't like doing. With that being said, I'm not for this change. I know I gave Stygian an idea for it, but that was just to give examples of what the rule could look like. But as I said, knowing how my life is and how it coul be for others, I'm against it completely.

For all it's worth, I think that's a stupid fucking rule too. If something is clearly on-camera, it should be fair game whether it's specifically about that person or not and kinda defeats the whole hands-off approach to rp writing.

If it's clearly on camera, then I see your point, but people like using off camera crap as well. And if it doesn't have to do with the match or the opponent at all, for example showing a day in the life of the character, then I don't agree with using your opponent's RP. Just as a lot of you think sandbagging isn't fair, I don't believe that waiting for your opponent to post a RP to get material from. Everyone has different opinions on the subjects, that's just the way it is.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:40 am

I do agree with you there. This is why I mark things in my rp 'off-camera' and 'on-camera' so there is zero confusion.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:53 am

Angelica Monroe wrote:

At the same time, a rule here is that you can't use your opponent's RP in your RP unless (Chuck told me this part a few PPV's back, correct me if I'm wrong please) your opponent talks directly to your character so unless your opponent is talking to your person directly, you can't use the RP(s) as it is. And you never know when something is going on in a person's life that makes it difficult to post whether it be family/pet issues or health issues. I know due to my medications for my back and skin, I have a hard time focusing and getting ideas until deadline day because then I know I have to get it done or no show and lose automatically, something I don't like doing. With that being said, I'm not for this change. I know I gave Stygian an idea for it, but that was just to give examples of what the rule could look like. But as I said, knowing how my life is and how it coul be for others, I'm against it completely.

With that said I too agree with Remington that the rule is retarded. When I do a CD I put it out there and make it as realistic as possible albeit sometimes it can be over the top for dramatic purposes. But needless to say anything and everything I write is fair game I say please attack it and go after it...I dare ya Wink

Some people put off-camera and do scenes but to me its like well if it has no direct relation to anything and you don't want it out there then why even put it? What, just to up the word count...to each is own though and I don't think off-camera should ever be banned or anything like that. It's a choice...just not one I personally choose to do.

However I was referring more to the shoot when the trash talk starts. That's the back and forth I enjoy when you tear someone down and they tear you back down it's a fun back and forth and creates inspiration for numerous ideas.

The part you said about you not posting until deadline because you know you HAVE to well while trying not to be rude I think that's an excuse. You don't HAVE to do anything. It's an e-fed and when its all said and done this is just a game. But this should be fun not like FUCK ME I've got homework...that's not the feeling you should get when it comes to RPing.

I could go ON and ON and ON because I've had many of debates with numerous people about the rules of on-camera and off-camera as well as sandbagging. I'm not directly targeting anyone just sort of sharing my thoughts on the rules Razz

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:03 am

It's not really an excuse when I've got health issues that do make it rather hard for me to concentrate because of the meds or the itching or the pain. When it gets down to the wire, I know it's either sit in front of the computer or on my phone until I get an idea then write and post it and be done with it rather than no showing which i try to avoid doing as much as possible, especially since I'm 5 hours behind eastern time which is the dl timezone. When I know I still have plenty of time left, if I sit down to write, my mind goes completely blank and I wind up doing something else instead of writing because I have that time left still.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:16 am

I totally understand that and sorry to hear about the health issues. Write it, post it, be done with it...doesn't sound fun lol its supposed to be fun yayyy fun bounce bouncy bouncy haha but I see where you're coming from. I just dislike sandbagging because it can be used for people to get easy wins over others and it takes a lot of what I consider the fun out of e-fedding.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:16 am

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Some people put off-camera and do scenes but to me its like well if it has no direct relation to anything and you don't want it out there then why even put it? What, just to up the word count...to each is own though and I don't think off-camera should ever be banned or anything like that. It's a choice...just not one I personally choose to do.


Well it's like the whole off-camera storyline that I did this past week for example. It's going for character development, and it's going to directly evolve Remington into who he is going to be as a man and consequently as an employee of IWF, but certainly it would just be absurd to have the secretive nature of that storyline be able to be openly talked about on TV by a wrestler Razz

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:20 am

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I totally understand that and sorry to hear about the health issues. Write it, post it, be done with it...doesn't sound fun lol its supposed to be fun yayyy fun bounce bouncy bouncy haha but I see where you're coming from. I just dislike sandbagging because it can be used for people to get easy wins over others and it takes a lot of what I consider the fun out of e-fedding.

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I understand what you mean, and even though I've got a really weird/off/unusual way of doing my rps, I do have fun writing them because I love fedding and I love writing. My way of doing it may seem like it wouldn't be fun, but it still is for me because I know that I'm doing something I love doing and get to write basically whatever I want to write.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:28 am

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Well it's like the whole off-camera storyline that I did this past week for example. It's going for character development, and it's going to directly evolve Remington into who he is going to be as a man and consequently as an employee of IWF, but certainly it would just be absurd to have the secretive nature of that storyline be able to be openly talked about on TV by a wrestler Razz

Yuuuup see it directly relates to the character's current mental state and current ongoings in IWF. Even a form of history shown in CD should be somewhat relevant. I mean more so the irrelevant bullshit people spew on about in off-camera scenes.

Oh and at least you have FUN Angelica that's the important part!

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:50 am

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Alexander Remington wrote:


Well it's like the whole off-camera storyline that I did this past week for example. It's going for character development, and it's going to directly evolve Remington into who he is going to be as a man and consequently as an employee of IWF, but certainly it would just be absurd to have the secretive nature of that storyline be able to be openly talked about on TV by a wrestler Razz

Yuuuup see it directly relates to the character's current mental state and current ongoings in IWF. Even a form of history shown in CD should be somewhat relevant. I mean more so the irrelevant bullshit people spew on about in off-camera scenes.

Oh and at least you have FUN Angelica that's the important part!

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:27 am

Well since everyone's throwing opinion, Imma throw mine.

I don't like it. Even though it doesn't effect regular BG show deadlines which I like. PPV's shouldn't matter to me, but I've always said if you have something to post along with your first RP to keep the flow going for you then go post it before times up, and thats why I say no.

If you have more to post, post it before times up. Sure it can be annoying if someone just posts a useless RP to hopefully get over but ya know, a RP is a RP.





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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed Change   Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:02 am

as a person who was a victem of sandbagging, I understand the viewpoints of those who hate the concept. While I agree that the general rule is "So long as you post before dl then it dosen't matter." The problem with this is people tend to take advantage of this and wait until the last possable minuite before dropping a 7K bombshell with just seconds to spare. Now I'm not saying no one would do this intentionally but it's become a nagging issue that's causing some people to second guess themselves which could cause them to leave the fed.

As an admin I can't allow these nagging conflicts to continue, as such I'm all for this rule as it inspires damage control and insures that the other person will have plently of time to respond.

Overall I agree to this rule.
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