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Should we start doing summed results?
Yes Summed results after deadline, so we can get a card up; with full results to follow.
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No We want full results
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PostSubject: Summed results: Should we have them?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:31 pm

Ok I've been talking to everyone on the chat box, many of them are suggesting that we start doing summed results which would then be replaced with actual results.

The idea is that after deadline is up, people send out their votes in which they have a 24 hour window to read the rps and send their votes to the admins. Then once the votes are tallied and the outline is sent, one of the admins will post up summed results to tell who won what match and then get the card set for the next show. The summed result will surely be replaced with the actual results but the summed results just get an idea for our rpers to get started on their rps.

Now I understand Corey's take on summed results however when push come to shove and we want our rpers to get a jump start on their rps, we might have no other option but to include summed results. That's not to stay the summed results will stay there, just long enough for the rpers to get an idea. We'll still be doing the actual results but just put in the summed results up first and then the card then once we have the actual results they will replace the summed results.

Will this be a good idea or a bad idea? At least 90% of the entire roster right now is talking about it and as an admin I think it's necessary to address this issue first and foremost.

So now I ask the entire IWF roster: Shall we have summed results?

You're entitled to your opinion, don't be shy, let it all out.



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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:42 pm

We would still like full results, but it just makes sense to give the roleplayers the most time to actually have time to roleplay. As is, we have 3-4 days, which for Battlegrounds is ok, but for PPVs, it's VERY VERY difficult to do 2 rps.

I think immediately posting summed results along with a card, with the intent of writing the full results after would help with this issue. In fact, it would almost completely fix it. Yes, as a rper, you wouldn't have certain segments to go off of until the full results were posted, but at least you'd have a start. And that would be better than the status-quo IMO

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:12 pm

As someone with limited time as it is, I am for anything that can get me extra time to RP.

Another suggestion, would be to get some segs up as they come in. Obviously, match specific ones would have to wait. But there is little reason to hold off on stuff that is already written.

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:21 pm

Full results are the way to go. Summed results blow. But summed results and then full results sure that sounds like a good call.

People that are on creative just need to do a better job of getting stuff done on time. If you think you won't be able to finish a match in time then before results are finalized let CC know you can't do said match so plans can be made to cover your ass. Don't just blow it off and wait and wait and WAIT to finish. On a weekly basis people drag their feet. You don't HAVE to be part of creative. It's a choice. If you don't feel like you can do the work or have the time to write full matches then maybe people who DO have the time need to be inserted into creative. Just a thought. The sole purpose of creative members is match writing, segment writing, and coming up with storylines. Being 1 for 3, 33.3% is an F...you FAIL as a member of the creative team. This isn't directed towards anyone in particular just more of a generalized statement regarding the current state of the creative team.

I will say the organization of everything hasn't been very good either. Until I did the banner for Battlegrounds I had no idea the show was on Saturday (now Monday). Results are posted on Tuesday or Wednesday lol its all over the fucking place. Deadline was Sunday... things just need to be a bit more organized. I think with the show on Monday and deadline being Sunday results need to be posted on Monday, Tuesday at the ABSOLUTE latest. If people in creative can't handle that then maybe changes need to be made. Not changes to buy people more time but changes as in replacements.

Here again I'm not firing shots at people more so just being direct about how I think results are failing. I'm all for summed results if it means FULL results are posted no later than Tuesday. However if people still drag their feet changes should be made. That is all lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:24 pm

I have always been deadset against summed results. I believe we CAN sit down and just bang out an entire portion of the show within 3-4 hours. I know I do almost every single week. Just get 3-4 hours of the course of a day or two and just fucking sit down and write. It's not that hard for your ADD riddled brains to handle. See, this is the kind of shit that pisses me off. I understand people have lives and people are busy and blah blah blah. I'm working a part time job and a full time job and driving an hr to and from work every single day...and yet somehow i am ALWAYS the first one done when it comes to writing results.

Sit down

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Stop being ADD and just fucking man up

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:28 pm

The more time to rp the better

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:57 pm

As an addendum, the poll has no bearing on an actual rule being made or changed. It's more to take the temperature.

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:45 pm

Ok I am the new guy I know but I have been seeing all sides of this situation and here is some facts I have discovered regarding this issue.

First this was brought up because in Chat today it was discussed that CC was changing Deadline from midnight est time Sunday night to midnight eastern time Saturday to give the match writers time to write the matches so results could be posted by Monday. People where upset because alot and I mean alot of people where saying they don't even start their RPS until Saturday or Sunday even. so posting summed results to give more RP time is BS because more then half the people don't RP until the weekend anyway.

So that being said I do not feel summed results is the answer. Now I have to say I agree with Axle and his point of view it seems from the two shows I have been here for CC has had to prod and push people to get there matches done which seems strange to me because as a match writer in a previous fed once I was assigned a match I worked on it through out the week because honestly 95% of a match can be written with out known the winner. Now like Axle I am not pointing fingers because I do not even know who all is in creative but I agree if you barely have time to rp maybe you should not take on the extra burden of match writing. Just an opinion here guys and that's all .

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:49 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:46 pm

I agree with Axle, even though sometimes I am one to blame, but I am working on it. And Jaxx the reason that this is an issue at all is because people don't know what they are writing until AFTER deadline. After the votes are in, CC sends an outline detailing who writes what. It is more than possible to still get stuff done in the 48hours, but that why it may seem more rushed than it is supposed to be.

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:25 am

So I guess I don't understand why he doesn't send out writing assignments sooner? I mean once the card is posted can't he assign everyone their matches to give them more time?
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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:42 am

Long story short, because CC is a tool Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:52 am

Gordon Fury wrote:
Long story short, because CC is a tool Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:53 am

CanMStone wrote:
Gordon Fury wrote:
Long story short, because CC is a tool Razz
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Sounds about right.

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:56 pm

what about sending the matches that people have when you post the card.... That sounds good to me

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:40 pm

Jack Savage wrote:
what about sending the matches that people have when you post the card.... That sounds good to me
That sounds so good someone should have suggested that to CC already...

Oh wait, I did. The answer I got back was "If someone no shows, then we have to squash them.". In my opinion, I'd rather write 2-4 full matches throughout the week with the possibility of writing a match that's too good for air than to wait last minute and rush through a match that really should be better than it was. Apparently I am in the minority here.
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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:47 pm

If you want to get technical Matt lol I suggested it to CC well before this thread was posted......
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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:04 pm

But I do agree with you. The writers Should have their matches as Soon As the card is posted And then submit Them with 2 possible Endings to the match. But CC says it is to much work.....
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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:39 pm

CanMStone wrote:
Jack Savage wrote:
what about sending the matches that people have when you post the card.... That sounds good to me
That sounds so good someone should have suggested that to CC already...

Oh wait, I did. The answer I got back was "If someone no shows, then we have to squash them.". In my opinion, I'd rather write 2-4 full matches throughout the week with the possibility of writing a match that's too good for air than to wait last minute and rush through a match that really should be better than it was. Apparently I am in the minority here.

This logic is sound enough that i think it's worth a shot. You now have Chuck Matthews support. Congratulations

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:17 pm

Now Chuckles needs to use his special abilities and convince CC.
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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:25 pm

I'm not too keen with summed results cos it's way more fun to read the full results. I think most of us would start writing on weekends anyways. But I do agree that this would be difficult when it comes to PPV time... Still... I prefer full over summed.

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:58 am

What I see are excuses. There are no excuses as to why creative team members need more time. It does not take very long to write matches. If you're wriitng a lengthy match it shouldn't take no more than an hour at least. Segments take no longer than 10 minutes alone. So, in all you should have PLENTY of tiem to do your roleplays after your matches are done. The thing is, if you know you can't do two roleplays afterwards during ppvs, then don't do them. I don't think it's exactly mandatory for you to actually post two roleplays. With that said, I absolutely HATE summed matches because it takes away the quality. And summed matches means no commentary. You may not see it that way but it would be very difficult to use the god given talent you have in such a way. especially if you want to make the match look good. I just think people shouldn't complain about having more time to roleplay because here's an idea. DONT FUCKING DO A LENGHTY ASS ROLEPLAY IF YOU KNOW YOU CANT! From what I understand, that's the main thing that people are trying to do for "time restraints". Matches shouldn't take longer than at least an hour if not more than that. If you can't write a match for that logn then you shouldn't be doing it. Simple as that. Some people take 20-30 minutes and that's good too. And if that's true then there's no excuse.
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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:35 am

I'm sorry but "don't roleplay" or "write shorter roleplays" is one of the weaker arguments I've heard.

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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:52 am

It may weak but... there's no excuse why someone can't roleplay if they're also doing matches and shit. Or at least find the time because it actually takes between 2 to 4 hours to write a half decent to a real good roleplay.
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PostSubject: Re: Summed results: Should we have them?   Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:09 pm

It definitely takes me longer than 4 hours to write a very good RP. It also takes me a while to write a lengthy yet decent match. Regardless if people don't have time in their schedule to write matches then don't be on creative, the shits not mandatory. Personally I think repeat offenders that are being late submitting their matches, there needs to be repercussions of some sort otherwise we'll just keep having this same discussion round and round again.

Oh and Chuck make sure I have a match or matches to write since I'm not on the card this week lol. At least I can say I'm reliable (for the most part) king

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